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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Jul 16, 2010 8:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Billy Kreutzmann

It really depends on the song, AR. I think his loose approach to rock and roll and country is inimitable but I believe that is where you see him being replaceable. To appreciate his virtuosity, look to Playin', Bird Song, Dark Star from 71-74. I just love when he gets annoyed with JG BW PL spaced out atonal stuff that has no pulse and lays down a fatty jazz-funk beat, lighting a proverbial fire under their collective ass.

I have no specific examples right now but will be listening for this in the near future so as to turn on your ears to some Billy magic. Help is on the way!

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 16, 2010 1:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Billy Kreutzmann

But ... but but but .... if it depends on the song, and if the Dead would still be the Dead even if the 71-74 PITBs and Dark Stars, etc had never happened ... maybe not as good or as memorable, but still the Dead ... then that's not an argument for irreplaceability. It's an argument for quality, virtuosity, excellence, etc. Which is not the same thing.

I mean, not to open the hornet's nest, but the Dead with Vince was, shall we say, frequently lacking in the highest levels of quality. And yet it was still the Dead. It doesn't reach The Heights very often, but it still has That Sound. After JG's death, it just couldn't be the Dead anymore, because what he brought to the sound was simply too basic, even when he was mailing it in. That's what I mean by indespensability vs excellence, contributing a lot, etc etc.

I will definitely listen more carefully to PITBs, etc in the No Mickey Era, though. I do get what you're saying on that. And learning to hear more of what's going on in music is always a good thing :-)


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Poster: jds121291 Date: Jul 16, 2010 10:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Billy Kreutzmann

"I just love when he gets annoyed with JG BW PL spaced out atonal stuff that has no pulse and lays down a fatty jazz-funk beat, lighting a proverbial fire under their collective ass."

couldnt say it any better.